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In this Discussion
- Amber March 2023
- Ammit March 2023
- HarmonysDawn March 2023
- LadyhawkeStables March 2023
- lingonberry121391 March 2023
- LookingGood March 2023
- minimum March 2023
- morningice March 2023
- RamshornRanch March 2023
- Vorpalalice March 2023
Thoughts on Funeral/Burial/Cremation Plans
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Forgive me for being a little bit morbid. I love coming to this group for thoughts and opinions though, because we come from a wide variety of backgrounds and perspectives. I am hoping to discover what I would prefer by seeing what everyone else's thoughts and opinions are.
My husband and I just finished some estate planning with an attorney. Part of what was returned to us is some paperwork to fill out with a list of wishes for our funeral services, burial/disposal of our remains etc. I'm a solidly middle-aged gal so this has never really been something I have thought about until now.
I am part of a religious church, where the customary procedure is to have the body embalmed, have an open casket viewing, then a funeral with a luncheon, and burial in a casket and vault in the local cemetery. Personally, I hate the idea of embalming and then being buried in an expensive casket and vault. I also think the cost of this "typical" burial process is outrageous.
My initial leaning, at this moment, would be to be cremated, have a memorial service for family and friends (probably including some sort of luncheon for the family), and then have my ashes spread or buried somewhere in the mountains near our home. I like the idea of returning to the earth, so to speak, and to have my remains be in a place that I loved during my life. After reviewing the guidelines for funerals and burials published by my church, I do not believe this would conflict with any "rules" set forth by them. My concern though, is that will I be causing undue grief to family members by not having a viewing and not having a gravesite with a headstone to visit after my passing.
I have very limited experience with funerals where the deceased was cremated. The only person I can think of was a close co-worker of my fathers who died unexpectedly during a surgery. My father said that an urn with the ashes was present at the memorial service, but that for a long time after the service he felt like his co-worker could possibly just show back up to work like nothing happened. He felt like he didn't quite get the closure he does from a "normal" funeral because he never saw the body of his friend. I also know many people who get a great amount of comfort from having a grave and headstone to visit each year and leave flowers, talk to deceased, etc. I personally do not have any experience with the important/unimportance of a gravesite, as all of my "close" family members are still living.
Hit me with your thoughts and opinions. What do you want for yourself? What did you like or dislike about what was done for a close family member/friend? Especially tell me about the cremation process if you have experienced that personally, and what you would recommend to do/not do if you did it all over again.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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P.S. Thanks to everyone who reads through that whole long speech!Ramshorn Ranch
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I have told my kids to donate any organ or tissue that can possibly be donated, then to donate the rest of me to The Body Farm in Tennessee. I'm not using it anymore, if there is a way my body can go on to help others, cool.“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.” -Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, Chapter 6Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
@Vorpalalice,
Is The Body Farm in Tennessee the place where they do studies on how bodies decompose in different environments? I know I've seen some sort of documentary or article about it, and thought it was an interesting idea, but fuzzy on the details.
I forgot to mention organ donation in my first post, but I am glad you brought it up. Love that thought.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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It is indeed! Here's a link to the program. . There are a few of them throughout the US and Canada, I think there is one in Australia too, but I am more familiar with the Tennessee one because I used to live not too far from it.
“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”
“How do you know I’m mad?” said Alice.
“You must be,” said the Cat, “or you wouldn’t have come here.” -Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, Chapter 6Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
Everyone I know has either been cremated or buried (open and/or closed casket).
Cremation is cool because you can create art or jewelry out of the ashes and have a tangible, attractive memorial of that person to keep close to you, and also get closure by releasing the remainder of the ashes somewhere special - or multiple places. My friend's mom would take a bit of her late husband's ashes with her as she travelled the world and leave them along her journey.
Personally I don't care what happens to my body...I'll be dead. :) If it can be used for learning or something positive, great! There are companies popping up that basically compost your body and return it to your family as fertilizer, which sounds good. Plant a tree with me!Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
Very interesting conversation! I have not seen an embalmed body at a funeral in quite a while, most the ones I have been recently have been closed casket. Personally I would also rather be cremated, the idea of burials weird me out a bit and they are also insanely expensive and I don't want that burden put on any of my loved ones.
Instead of viewings I have seen some very lovely memorials and video slideshows to commemorate the dead. I do also know it's an option to have a headstone without a body if you still want the comfort of a place for loved ones to visit and perhaps request that some ashes be placed there as well. -
I say this as someone who loves visiting cemeteries, I share exactly your views on embalming and funeral costs. I find it very distasteful thought to be pumped full of poison so that my last act is to contaminate the earth and to saddle my family with tens of thousands of dollars in expenses. I don't begrudge anyone who wants that and can understand why it feels right for others but it is very much not for me.
My plan is to be cremated and if at all possible have my ashes spread in an orchard and all my loved ones know those are my wishes. I have lost a lot of family in my life, some suddenly and traumatically, some expected passings. All my loved ones have been cremated. I know that some people find an open casket funeral to be closure but I personally have never struggled with closure so can't speak to that. Conversely, I know some who have found the experience deeply upsetting and tarnishing of their memories. Bad embalming can be upsetting, and who shops around for that sort of thing?
What is most important is to be frank and open with your family about your wishes so they have plenty of time to process the idea and there is no battle over it if the worst happens. It doesn't need to be some big sit-down talk either, I have found it comes up in conversation naturally every few years for us. Just make a point to share your wishes.
As Ladyhawke said you don't need a body to have a memorial site. A memorial site can be a headstone, a cremation vault, be a donated bench in a park, the place where your ashes are spread, a diamond necklace made from your ashes, a special place in the home etc. Since our loved ones live on in us, you can make anyplace a special place to talk with them and leave offerings.
If you are interested in options beyond embalming or cremation this site has amazing info. https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/Need to contact me? Read this first.
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I have had two deaths in the family that kinda go along these lines. The first was my aunt. She died of breast cancer about 2000 after trying surgery, and chemo. To put it nicely she didn’t look like herself. She was cremated and we did a memorial remembering who she was and how she wanted us to remember her. My cousins buried her ashes under a tree that got a plaque with her epitaph on it.
The second was my uncle, cancer again. They found it late stage, and it progressed rapidly. Same thing with the cremation and memorial, just he was a very out there person. He insisted on being cremated with this powder blue 70’s leisure suit, all his friends came and told their old jokes and stories and cried. Then at the end my other cousin (his son) put his ashes in an old Folgers can and put it in the shop he ran. (My cousin inherited the shop and runs it, and my uncle would have loved the old can thing)Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
Sorry if this doesn’t help, just this has been my personal experience. As for myself I have always planned on going with the tree after cremation like my aunt did. It is very nice, and my cousins kinda take comfort in my aunt still being around in a way.Thanked by 1RamshornRanch
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I have long since said I want my ashes in a steel-cut oats tin! :DNeed to contact me? Read this first.
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My husband and I have had this conversation and we both want a 'direct cremation'. This is where the body is taken straight to the crematorium and there is no funeral. This is considerably cheaper than the 'normal' funeral, either with a burial or cremation. Both our daughters know that this is what we want and they will be free to have some kind of get-together to remember us. I haven't yet decided where I want my ashes to go. I need to ask the girls if they want somewhere they can visit or not. I'm quite in favour of a woodland burial, there wouldn't be a headstone but there would be some kind of reference so that they would know where I lie. I don't actually care what happens to me once I'm gone, but I would like it to be eco-friendly and cheap.HAJ1 White Valley #60847 HAJ3 minimum #175
Breeding palomino and cremello Drafts from Yellow/C papered foundation stock.Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
morningice,
The idea of having items created from the ashes is interesting. I can see the appeal of that. Definitely vibe with your thought of benefiting a future tree/plant life.
Ladyhawke,
What general area do you live in? It's interesting that you haven't seen an embalmed body in ages, since that is like the standard practice in my area/religion. Normal practice seems to be a very regional and cultural thing. Personally, I am not a fan of the end result of embalming. I know they make their best efforts to make the person look "nice", but in my opinion the person looks drastically different from how they looked in life. Almost like a porcelain doll of themselves, but not quite a right copy. I really dislike open casket viewings.
Ammit,
"I find it very distasteful thought to be pumped full of poison so that my last act is to contaminate the earth and to saddle my family with tens of thousands of dollars in expenses. I don't begrudge anyone who wants that and can understand why it feels right for others but it is very much not for me."
This echoes my feelings on embalming and burial in a cemetery exactly! I also find it wasteful that the ground I am in will never be used for anything other than housing my rotting bones and an expensive casket. As someone who loves wild and rural places, I hate to see natural land swallowed up by development. Cemeteries at some point become full and have to grow and take up another space that was once something else.
Also, thank you for your thoughts on prepping family ahead of time for your wishes. We will be writing our wishes down in our estate planning documents, so they will have it in writing what we want. You bring up a good point though of addressing it verbally ahead of time, so that they can ask questions and come to peace with it if it doesn't jive with what they envisioned for you.
I also like your idea about making your own memorial site. I didn't consider the fact that it doesn't HAVE to be where the ashes are spread. Perhaps that is something I would leave up to my family if they would like to arrange for that. It would be for their benefit, and not mine, if they wanted something.
HarmonysDawn,
Thank you for sharing. The process you described is kind of what I envisioned for myself. To be cremated, but also have a memorial service where the family has an opportunity to come together and share memories. The opportunity to reminisce and be with family is the primary thing I enjoy about funerals.
Minimum,
Thank you for sharing! From a very young age I was taught to be a thrifty spender, so eco-friendly and cheap is exactly what I am leaning towards as well! Although I do think my family would definitely want some sort of memorial service, and I wouldn't begrudge them for wanting that.
Thank you so much to everyone! I love the ideas and that you're willing to share with me. Any thought, even if it contradicts with my feelings, is valid and helpful as I ponder on this. I very much believe in the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinions about what they feel is right vs. wrong for them and their family.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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We joke about death in my family, so morbid people fit right in with me.
My mom was religious and the typical experience is what you described. However, she decided to be cremated. I received part of her ashes, as did my stepfather, my brother, and my grandmother (her mom). I still have my mom’s ashes and we have an ofrenda in our house where we can remember our family that has passed on. My partners’ daughter is up there with my mom in a cute moon shaped urn; she passed in utero.
My mom had a memorial service and there was no burial at that point. She wanted everyone to celebrate her life, so we had a party. Eventually a small part of her ashes were buried at a family plot in my hometown. It’s nice to have a place to visit when I go home. She has her own gravestone in the ground and a place on the family headstone. She’s also somewhere on the Maine turnpike because there was an issue separating out some of her ashes from my brother’s portion to be buried, and a big gust of wind came along and…poof!
I think the feeling of someone coming back and not having finality from seeing a dead body is a generational thing, and is a phenomenon still experienced even if you see someone at a viewing. I saw my mom right after she died and I still expect to see her to this day, 15 years later. I personally think looking at a dead body at a viewing is more morbid, but that’s just me.
I say do whatever makes you happiest. My dad has already told me that he wants to have his ashes spread out at sea, so that’s what we’re planning. And definitely figure it out now, so your family has no questions whenever the time comes. It makes mourning so much simpler.Thanked by 1RamshornRanch -
Lingonberry, thank you for your thoughts and perspective. I think the idea of your mom's ashes being split between everyone is a sweet idea. You brought up some good thoughts that helped put me at ease for what I am thinking for myself.
Another question I thought of last night. Does anyone have experience with their partner wanting something drastically different for their disposition and burial? My husband is the type of person that will say, "I don't care what happens after I die, do what you want." I am curious though if he does have strong feelings for something totally opposite of me, would I want to change my mind so that our final resting place would be together? Food for thought for sure.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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That's where talking about this stuff now is so important. It prevents grief-triggered infighting which can make everything so much more traumatic.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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My wife and I were talking this morning about this (thanks to your post) and she wants to be made into a tree. She thinks the splitting up ashes is weird. It’s funny how different we all are.Thanked by 1RamshornRanch
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Lingonberry, it is funny how different we are, but I think her wish to be planted with a tree is great. I love that you guys had the opportunity to have a discussion about it!
As I mentioned before I have never really thought about the need to talk about it until now. In my mind funeral planning was something you do when you’re “old”. I wish we had talked about it when we first got married just to be prepared for the unexpected.Ramshorn Ranch
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All my life my direct family has openly discussed this topic. And what we'd want if we were on life support etc. I feel it should be talked about so we can honor our loved ones.
I've experienced a lot of death in my life and viewings, funerals, cremation as discussed above have been very normal routes takens. In more recent years having a celebration of life has become a very normal.
My mom passed just over a month ago now and she wanted everything donated. We were able to donate her eyes to a lab doing studies on retinas and then we were able to do a whole body donation to the U of U. She also wanted for us to have a party. When my dad's ready we'll do a party/celebration of life for her.
My dad really likes an old tradition of walking along the casket to the burial. I'll probably walk with a photo of him, when he passes. And donate everything possible.
If my family had our way, bodies would be donated. And if that wasnt possible then we're ok being dumped in the wild and let nature take it's course. Obviously this last option isn't an option so cremation and spreading ashes etc is what we all choose.
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You can be turned into compost and turned into a forest to become the wild though.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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LookingGood, you should look into the body farm that VorpalAlice mentioned. From what I gather they in a lot of their work they let the bodies decompose naturally and study the process.
Might be a good way to donate your body but also be left to return to the earth.Ramshorn Ranch
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Growing up I was always against cremation. I thought is was important to have a funeral so everyone could say goodbye. Last year we lost our 2 youngest sisters 17 days and we suddenly were dealing with 2 funerals to prepare for. Because of the weather we had to postpone the services. When we did gave them, my sisters really didn't look like themselves. The price of their funerals was more than we paid for our house, not that our house is anything fancy. Even with cutting corners by using the least expensive options the funerals were over $10,000 each.
My husband has always wanted to be cremated and I was wanting to have a funeral. But after last year we both decided that when the time comes we will be cremated after a viewing so our family and friends can say goodbye. The kids will store the ashes of which ever one passes away first and wen the other passes our ashes will be mixed together.
We have been together for over 30 years, more than half our lifetimes. We have had good times and hard times, but we never regretted being together. So we decided that we want our kids to mix our ashes together so even after death, we will be together. -
Amber,
I really like the idea of mixing your ashes together. After that do you guys want your ashes to be spread somewhere, or kept by the family in an urn together?
I am sorry also to hear about your two sisters, and the unfortunate situation with their funerals. Dealing with stress like that, after you are already grieving, sounds very difficult.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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My oldest wants to make keepsakes for the family. She helped do that for her best friend when she passed away. Her friend's sister and my daughter got some of those tiny bottles and put in layers of ashes and glitter into the bottles. Then they attached each bottle to a cord so they can be worn.
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Amber,
That sounds like a good option. Then the ashes can be shared with whoever would like some.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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