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PT and breeding ability are not the same numbers. You need to be using breeding papers, advice, and comparison testing to make judgments about foals. (Or the quality of a horse's offspring.) PT is not passed on, only the ability to make good PT is inherited.

It also is worth noting that this foal is inconsistent, and inconsistency lowers PT scores. This colt might be a worthwhile foal to max out depending on what you want to do with it and how much that PT-lowering inconsistency matters to you. (It can be fixed in the lab.)

MOA is Max Out Ability.
Sorry meant to ask with more details, but got distracted getting the children ready for homeschool meeting! My goal with this foal would be for my bootstrap breeding, to try to make high quality show ponies.

Walywoohoo it does not.

If you want a good bootstrap stud you would be better off asking on the forum. You will get a much better stud for much less than the cost of maxing out. People don't tend to list such horses publicly but often ofter them to anyone looking for one.

Oh good point; I got ahead of myself because I have some "free" GMTs from last month. So I forget how much they're worth! I also am being slightly hypothetical: for instance, why is this colt's PT so much lower than BOTH parents? Is it silly to max a foal who is very close to the parent's score?

@Tarma I'm definitely interested! I have one star stud who is breeding age, and one 2 year old (both grabbed at auction) so don't feel obligated if you would rather keep him.

Combination of random factors, and that inconsistency. As I said it lowers PT. Also, AGAIN Pt is not inheritable. The PT of the parents does not tell you how good of a breeder they are.

The only thing I remember reading is consistent does not guarantee to produce consistent and inconsistent can breed inconsistent. And inconsistent is only in reference to if they show consistently the same or if they have good days and bad days (inconsistent).

I personally just use it as stepping point for automatic spleds (unless I really like them and I'll modify it).

PT is not inheritable, so you can not say 9.60 + 10.4 = 10.20 you can ONLY say B + Red - A and 10.2. PT tells you how good the line is from the big picture. It can not tell you how good a specific horse is at breeding.

Drop any notions of "breeding" PT and you will be much less confused. You can not breed PT.

I think I'm comprehending. Theoretically, a lower PT horse can be a better breeder than a high PT, and additional testing is the only way to check breeding ability

So, for my education I made him consistent, which brought his PT to 11.6. He only papered at A, so I'm unwilling to do BA after spending the money on him haha. But theoretically, a horse with high PT and lower paper (say A) will not be as good a breeder as a lower PT with star papers? But does "good breeder" imply that they should produce good showing foals?

You could also breed both of them and see which one produces foals with a higher PT. While PT is not inheritable better breeders produce foals with better PTs.

Comparison testing is the much cheaper shortcut to just breeding and comparing.

I have a good example about breeding ability and PT not being related. I breed long lined horses on Bluegrass, and have been working on PT for awhile. I also have been working to breed my horses right to the limit of what the game allows. So the highest breeding ability possible without boosting.

This stallion is from an extremely long line of horses and has boosting in his line for several generations back. His parents are both boosted 10% past the cap. However that doesn’t affect his breeding ability, he is right at the game limit (cap).

UE Bright FireWater DDBS

This stallion doesn’t have such a long line as FireWater, only his great grand dam in truly long lined. His sire is 9th gen and great grandsire is 4th gen. He also doesn’t have much boosting in his line, practically none compared to the other stallion. However his breeding ability is practically identical to the stallion above. Comparison testing has some wiggle room. Looking at their PT difference you would never believe their breeding ability is as close to identical as possible.

UE Rax Khan agabm

I also appreciate you— I didn’t know we could boost past the max.