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In this Discussion
- Ammit November 2022
- ChapelHillFarm November 2022
- rachrobe April 2022
- SummerMonarch November 2022
- TheBlueMoors November 2022
- VoodooRangeress5 November 2022
Difference Between Two DP Mares
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I am absolutely in love with these two mares. I have found a new passion, so I want to truly understand their genetics. I have a good understanding of horse genetics, so any assistance is appreciated.
Reecy has these gorgeous dapples, red mane and tail and brown on her nose. Dark Angel has a fabulous dark coat, light mane and tail without dapples, or brown on her nose.
1. What gene is creating the dapples on Reecy's coat? (Is it the p/p?)
2. Why is Reecy's mane and tail a pretty red? I know ee causes red, so is there a different reason why her mane/tail is red, versus the lighter color?
3. Why is Dark Angels mane and tail so light, verses red like the other mares?
These two horses genetics' are so similar, and yet, they look so different.
CHF 2G WBE Reecy
Reecy's Genetics: ee aA ff StySty p/p DPDP RB/-
CHF 2G ON Dark Angel
Dark Angel's Genetics: ee AA ff StySty p/- DPDP W20/-
Thanks so much,
Kathy
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I don't known enough about genetics to answer any of your questions, haha... But! Those are some lovely gals. I love the hom DP and Sty liversID:3258
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Random variation. You can try paying to reroll.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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@rachrobe - I love these colors too, and I'm glad you liked them.
@Ammit - If it is just random variation, then I can accept that. I love both of the mares as is. Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to my question.Forest Server - Chapel Hill Farm. ID# 54714 (Basic account)
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This was such a helpful question @ChapelHillFarm as I am often comparing very similarly colored horses with such slight variations just like you showed in your example. Wow, I wouldn't have guessed that is just a random variation because to me that is major deal breaker and how would one overcome the randomness to try for an exact "look" which I realize isn't possible in real life but we do have the pleasure of being on a game platform here with fantasy ponies. I am still struggling in many ways to understand the genetics, as what is the difference between a letter being on the left or the right of the forward slash symbol(/). Like, why does is matter if it is P/ or /P or -/P ? Obviously, P/P I assume is Homozygous but what about P/p? Still, confused and learning. I guess it is part of the process. But I would like to know if you have the exact same set of genetics if the chances of different mane and tail colors, dapples etc. are just up to the algorithm. And yes, I have definitely read the Genetic Guide several times over and even went on to actual genetic/breeding company websites to find out more. Hmmm...
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"what is the difference between a letter being on the left or the right of the forward slash symbol"
It tells you if it came from the sire or the dam.Need to contact me? Read this first.
I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )
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Sire comes first then the dam with letters.
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@VoodooRangeress5, these are really great questions!
(Chapel, I hope you don't mind me jumping in here :)) )
As you stated, this game builds on real life genetics so there is always a variability in phenotype (physical appearance) even with the exact genotype (genetic make up). It's the reason why we have reds so dark they look black all the way to reds so light they are almost orangey both here and in real life. That's always been the goal of this game is to maintain that realism between the game and real life even with fantasy genes. You can create "true breeding" genotypes (liver reds for example) that will always produce the same genotype generation after generation (if using the right genetic combos) but as Chapel's example so aptly demonstrates, the phenotype may vary slightly. Doesn't change the fact that they are still liver red and will produce liver reds (if put to red studs). The pictures can always be rerolled for more uniformity but it won't change their base color genome if that makes sense. There are certain gene combos that might predispose a certain type of look, for example, sooty+ increases the concentration of darkened hair in certain areas of the horse and enhances dapples more dramatically than sooty which is more evenly distributed over the body of the horse and could promote dapples but perhaps not as vividly. It's the same type of gene with the same purpose (darkening) but their effects are slightly different.
You also mentioned P/P versus P/p- so you are exactly right when stating P/P (and p/p) is homozygous (meaning horse has 2 copies) and will always pass a 1 copy onto its foal. P/p (lowercase) is heterozyous (horse has 1 copy of dominant pangere and 1 copy of recessive pangare). In this case, the horse will have a 50% chance of passing either one on to its foal. It doesn't matter which order heterozygous genes appear in (P/p versus p/P) since it's still 50/50 which gene gets passed on.
Hopefully this is a wee bit clearer! These are awesome questions and thank you so much for asking! If any of that is confusing, please feel free to state as much and I'll clarify or get more resources as needed!
Chapel, thank you again!TheBlueMoors ID 78
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@TheBlueMoors, Blue, you always have a wonderful way of helping people and thoroughly answering their questions. Thanks for helping.Forest Server - Chapel Hill Farm. ID# 54714 (Basic account)
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