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- Ammit September 2022
- Kamcdaniel3 February 2022
- Kentucky241 February 2022
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- rachrobe February 2022
- SummerMonarch September 2022
- Tarma February 2022
- TheBlueMoors September 2022
The breakdown of Color Genetics AKA figuring out what colors your horses can produce!
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I’ve been wanting to do this for a LONG time and it wasn’t until recently that I started the process of breaking this down. This will be a series of posts with picture examples embedded as links as well so I hope this is of help for both new players and old alike. As always, I am always open to questions and comments or even specific requests to explain something!
To understand possible colors of horses you are thinking about breeding or for that ultimate color you aren’t sure just how to maximize your chances of getting, you would start with the base color of the horse: black, bay and red. These 3 colors are the basis of which every single color combo on this game originates from. They are formed by extension and agouti. Extension is represented by the initials E or e and agouti is represented by a or A. They work hand in hand and they should always be considered an unit.
So far we have:
Black: To get a black horse, your horse must have one of the following genotype:
EE aa
Ee aa
(agouti must always be recessive and there must be at least 1 dominant extension- there is not a phenotypical difference between the different combos of black)
Bay: To get a bay horse, your horse must have one of the following genotypes:
EE Aa
EE AA
Ee Aa
Ee AA
(agouti must have at least 1 dominant copy and there must be at least 1 dominant extension- there is not a phenotypical difference between the different combos of bay)
NOTE: This does not take into account the different types of agouti on this game: this will be addressed in a different post
Red: To get a red horse (also notated as chestnut on the game), your horse must have one of the following genotypes:
ee AA
ee Aa
ee aa
(extension must always be recessive- agouti status does not influence)
Now something to keep in mind is that you might see genotypes written as eE AA or EE aA or ee AA. The order does not matter to the color of the horse- the order in which it is written tells you which allele was passed on by the sire and dam.
That is, the first letter for each gene represents the allele from the sire and the 2nd letter in the gene is the allele from the dam.
Take for example this genotype: Ee aA
This is a bay foal (1 copy dominant extension, 1 copy dominant agouti). This foal inherited E and a from its sire. The dam contributed e and A. Without looking at the genotyping of each parent, you can immediately write their genotypes as such:
Sire: E_ a_
Dam: _e A_
The blank spaces are to notate that you do not know their other info yet. You can see how both sire and dam can influence the color of the foal depending on what they contribute!
Let’s up it a little more: in the case of our bay foal whose genotype is Ee aA, we have done more research and found out that the sire is black with 1 copy of recessive extension and the dam is red with 2 copies of dominant agouti. We would write it as such:
Sire: Ee aa (Remember, it only takes 1 copy of dominant extension and 2 copies of recessive agouti to create black)
Dam: ee AA (again, red is not influenced by agouti status, only presence of 2 recessive extension alleles)
The sire can pass on either E or e (50%) and will always pass on 1 copy of a (because there is only 2 copies of recessive agouti)
The dam can only pass on 1 e and 1 A.
If you do all the possible genotype combos using a Punnett square, you’d have a list like this:
Ee aA (bay with one copy of dominant extension and 1 copy of dominant agouti)
ee aA (red with 1 copy of dominant agouti)
This cross had a 50/50 chance either way of a red or bay foal. A common mistake is to look only at extension and say "oh this horse can make red, bay, and black babies because they have one copy of each!" They do not take into account the agouti status of their horse. Because the mare can only pass on a copy of dominant agouti, a black based foal (E_ aa) can never be produced from this cross.
I am going to wrap up this post with one final "quiz" question regarding potential foals from a cross.
True or False Thishorse and this horse can only produce bays. Explain your answer.
Everyone who answers, correctly or not, will get a little gift sent to them so please feel free to put your thoughts down- if not comfortable putting your answer here, you can direct message me!
Again I hope this is helpful and I will start elaborating on the other colors and how they work in conjunction with the base colors to create the rainbow of horses we have here on HaJ! Requests will also be considered if you have a particular color combo you want to understand better!
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Wow this is great! I can't wait to see the rest of the series. As for the two horses, I believe they can produce combinations other than bay. Since both horses have a they could produce a foal with aa, which would not be bay.Thanked by 1TheBlueMoors
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The answer is false, they can produce black and red as well as bay. They have the ability to produce Ee Aa, EE AA, Ee aa EE aa, ee Aa, or ee aa. Each one is het for E and het for A which means there's a 50/50 chance of getting E or e and a 50/50 chance of getting A or a. So in the spectrum of basic colors, all three are a possibility with those two horses.
I would like to see the rest explained and would love to help if you need help breaking things down. I love genetics and how the different genetics interact.Thanked by 1TheBlueMoors -
I'm not completely sure, but based on the earlier part of the post and the answer to my question in my help post I have to say false. If I worked it out right there are 3 possible results. Chestnut, bay, and black. ee aa for chestnut, EE or Ee and aa for black, and EE or Ee and Aa or AA for bay. And no flaxen because there is only 1 potential copy of the gene when it requires 2.Thanked by 1TheBlueMoors
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False: because they each have the genotype Ee Aa, they have a 50% chance of producing a bay foal, a 25% chance of producing a black foal, and a 25% chance of producing a red/chestnut foal. Which means you'd probably get bay foals, but the other two options are possible.Thanked by 1TheBlueMoors
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Thank you so much for putting together such a thorough explanation :)
For the quiz, I believe that stallion and mare could produce a Black, Chestnut, or Bay horse and I think those are the only kind of foals they could produce. They wouldn't be able to produce a Liver Chestnut or a Wild Bay or a Palomino.ID:3258
Mesa: rachrobe / Bluegrass: TriedandTrudy
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Great job everyone! the answer is indeed, FALSE!
Two bay horses with the genotype Ee Aa is capable of producing any of the three base colors in different combos as listed below:
EE AA (bay)
EE aa (black)
EE Aa (bay)
Ee AA (bay)
Ee aa (black)
Ee Aa (bay)
ee AA (red)
ee aa (red)
ee Aa (red)
Stay tuned for the next color genotype breakdown! I'll be starting with the color dilutions such as dun, cream, and champagne!
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@SummerMonarch, this is the post I am talking about that explains the differences between the 3 color bases and how you can get bay from a red and black but never a bay from a black to black and so on :)TheBlueMoors ID 78
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TheBlueMoors are you part of the wiki project?Need to contact me? Read this first.
I sometimes get busy and miss things. If your private message, question, etc. gets missed please ping me so I can follow up with you. I am also always happy to explain or clarify. (HAJ does not have a customer service email, please send me a forum message! )
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Good morning @Ammit, I have an account on the Discord server and have poked around on the wiki but not done anything officially :)TheBlueMoors ID 78
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I am so glad this is useful!
I need to update this- most of the ponies' links I used are.. gone hahaha.
I am still working on the other posts about the modifiers and I promise I will get them up eventually. Doctoral capstone is kicking my tushie at the moment and it's been a hot moment since I have had free time to sit and type up the explanations with picture examples.TheBlueMoors ID 78
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