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Talk to me about "era programs"...
  • Alright, friends, I've been playing for about half a RL year now and feel like I have enough of a basic understanding of how the environment works here to start to pay a bit more attention to parts of the game I've been disregarding as to not totally overwhelm myself.

    I have a working knowledge on how the eras work, and understand that foals take the oldest era of the parents. I've not really paid much attention to this otherwise, and have bred random eras to random eras fairly willy-nilly in the past.

    I think I understand the advantages to an era-based breeding program to make sure I'm grouping horses where they'll be most competitive as far as the era awards go. Are there advantages beyond awards to keeping like with like here?

    If I wanted to convert my "anything goes right now as long as it's 0% inbred" program into a no-inbreeding era-based program, what's the best way to go about doing that? Organize eras by barn and make sure I'm only breeding within that barn?
  • Hey StarBar, I have a 0% In-breeding and era specific set of breeding programs.

    I tried doing the whole separate barn thing for each era and gen and to be honest it was a pain in the backside. I gave up with this and now have a naming code that works with the Search Horses function.

    Naming every horse by their era and gen in the easiest way to do this, for example my foundations are simply coded E8, E7 etc... with further gens being 8G2, 7G2, 6G4 etc... Searching by the name and splitting two search tabs between mares and stallions works best for me. This allows me to check the colour genetics are compatible before looking back through the pedigrees to check for inbreeding on later gens.

    With regards to the advantages of keeping Eras separate, the one thing I can think of is for longer down the number of generations when doing 0%. I've got a feeling I might have to combine two eras once I get to gen 5 / 6, so if I then breed my 6G5 and my 7G5 lines together there won't be any chance of having relations in the other pedigree, especially with totally homebred lines. I'll probably do the same thing and combine Eras 7 and 8, and then 8 and 9. But this is very niche to my playstyle and you might not find this useful.
    **Wensum Valley Ponies**
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  • I've long admired your program so very much appreciate your insight WensumValley! Thank you.

    Frankly it's been looking at the naming conventions in the 0% Inbreeding chat group that got me thinking about this, and that makes a lot of sense (especially with the search feature! genius!).

    I do keep a gigantic spreadsheet because I'm a big ol' nerd, which makes it relatively easy for me to highlight no-goes as far as color compatibility or potential inbreeding, though it's certainly not without human error. So that would probably also help solve for the "how to organize this in barns" step, as I could continue to group my barns by gen and then keep them parsed out by era on my sheet.

    Another thing I haven't figured out -- I'm using my 60-horse pasture as my second gen factory, storing my foundation mares in there and releasing two stallions every season (each stallion gets a max of two seasons and then I rotate them out to keep new genetics coming in all the time). I guess this might sort of take care of itself if I have a range of mares in there from varying eras? Then the G2s are going to very nicely represent a smattering of eras based on the dam.
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  • Yep, putting the E8 foundation stallions you have at the moment should give you a mix of E6 & 7 second gens.

    When I breed my foundations in pastures, I tend to do the actual breeding in a set of smaller 10 horse pastures. This is a bit expensive thought tbh, when I had a job it was a manageable, but now I have to be careful which mares I rotate in and out of pasture, as I can't expand to have all my mares turned out.

    I do this so I have more control over which stallion I breed to which mares. Most seasons I'll start with five foals from each new stallion, I try and have between 2 and 4 newbies each season until that era starts to age out.

    Plus I don't trust myself to actually breed the 60 mare pasture. I know I'd have the wrong horses in there by accident and end up with a right old mess!

    Also, thank you for sharing your kind words about my program. It made me very happy.
    **Wensum Valley Ponies**
    Breeding quality family cobs for temperament, ability and colour.
    Click here to see our Stallions at Stud
    We always have a range of super ponies for sale
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  • Well, I might start reorganizing by era and at least see what it looks like on paper -- I've got such a large (for me) herd of G2s right now that it's kind of chaos cooking trying to make breeding selections every season, so the relative narrowing of a pool by era might help me start to actually breed for particular colors and patterns rather than "let's just cross stuff and see what happens!" which has yielded some interesting results but zero program cohesion, LOL.

    I think this program might help me utilize more outcross horses from other players, too, which is nice to build some community!

    Thanks for your input!
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  • Adding a new question here, as I go through and sort out my G3s by era -- I have a handful of mares who are related in some way to all of my stallions within E5.
    So my options would be to either breed them to an outside stallion, or breed them to another G3 stallion within my own program, but from an later era, and the resulting foal would be an E5 either way, correct?

    What are the disadvantages to breeding to an E6 or E7 stallion to make more E5 fourth gens? I feel like there's something I'm missing here.
  • If you breed to an outside stallion in a younger era, the foals will not qualify for the futurities. That's really the only downside I can think of.
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  • You are correct that Era 5 mares bred to stallions Eras 5-8 would result in Era 5 babies. I agree with Waly that the only disadvantage at Gen 4 is that your babies won’t be Futurity qualified, but it sounds like your goal is to be more about era and 0% inbreeding anyways.

    I have an era based program, but I don’t care at all about inbreeding. It got too hard to be leaderboard chasing and avoid inbreeding at the same time. Theres only so many ***star studs in an era and you have to keep using them if you want to stay at the top.

    Spreadsheets are your friend! It sounds like you’re already on board with that tactic. My spreadsheets are always evolving and being tweaked as I adjust my plans, and strategies.

    I need to get my laptop and then I will type up more detail about how I organize myself. This post is already giving my thumbs stress typing this much on my phone.
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  • Thanks, Waly and RSH. I do see that fighting on "two fronts" here with eras for LB standings and also trying to do this 0% inbred is going to be a challenge, and as I'm reviewing all of this information and digesting it I'm wondering really how critical the era part actually would be to a 0% inbred program, other than making it easier to share with other breeders.

    I do think I still see some potential to get on the boards with the circuit model coming, so maybe this is a circular argument with myself LOL.

    Somebody logic-check me here: I think what I'm going to do is keep my gens all on one sheet, but reorder these sheets and block them out by era, attempt to breed my own horses within era as much as possible while staying 0%, and then branch out from era within the same gen as needed. I'm not sure I actually have too many horses really bent on being competitive on the era boards anyway, but this will at least kind of tighten up my breeding program a bit.
  • A spreadsheet is a godsend if you are doing Era AND want to be 0%. You don’t have to be 0% to get on their Era boards, you can do it though. To my knowledge there is currently no advantage anywhere in the game to being 0% inbred. I do it for the challenge. :D

    I am currently focusing on Era 5 and up for my 0% Era programs. I have 10 generations planned as that’s about where things cap before having to boost (it might actually be nine but I like a nice rounded 10 to soothe my OCD. :D
    Era 5 foundations are getting harder to find so I will eventually need to supplement new eras. I kinda started haphazardly but now starting with Era 8, only that era foundations will be used.

    I have my eras separated by barn to make finding them easier as I haven’t 100% updated my names. I use the same naming prefix as Wensum - Era7 Gen 2 is 7G2. I use @* @* to create to random names, and then foals get the first 3 letters of each parent and another @*. For example - 7G2 Blue Wish x 7G2 Red Night would have foals named Kh 7G3 WisNig @* . I use embryos 100% and pasture bonus mares, and select pairings I will flush the mares. This naming makes it easier to find siblings for culling if the end up in a different barn. I have a pretty big stable and wasn’t exactly organized, but I am getting there and have a good system in place when new horses come in.

    I am more than happy to share any breeding stock I have to help your programs. I do a post when I put up extras in auction- The next big one will be on the 28th but I might have a smaller one before if I run out of room.

    The one thing I highly recommend for any long term projects is getting your show barns making money for you. I’m going to start a separate post for that.
  • Thanks, Khisanth, this is great stuff. I've developed a decent-enough show barn that I have some fresh play money every day but definitely could do more with that, though each week as we show we're jumping up a sizeable new chunk of income so that's promising.

    The caps and boosts and all that is another realm I haven't dove into yet but that's something for future me to deal with for now!

    I'm in the 0% inbreeding chat room and have been picking up on the naming conventions bits and bobs in there, and am going through and converting my system to make it easier to find. I'm also playing with the sheets over my morning coffee and am really liking the way I've got the eras notated on there, so that's fun for whatever spicy piece of brain that's itching right now.

    I just like the concept of 0%, but realize there's nothing "making" me do that other than that's the thing I want to try right now LOL

    As you mentioned, I think my foundation herd is probably the most haphazard thing I've got going right now, so that might be the next thing I take a close look at to figure out what eras are represented. In my G2 herd it's looking like I have a TON of E6 so it might be time to thin the foundation herd and supplement in some E8 to move us forward.
  • I do think that a 0% inbreeding program would certainly be easier if you were not concerned about eras. The biggest challenge with no inbreeding is how many unique foundation pairs you need. If you aren’t strict about era you can always create more and be adding new blood into the mix.
    Ramshorn Ranch
    Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
    ID# 12824
  • I think I'm going to end up being less strict than originally thought when I looked at the possibilities of sticking to an era-based program, simply because I'm going to run out of pairs within an existing era (especially my E5 since that was the first season or two I started playing and only had a handful of horses to mess with).

    If I had to choose between sticking to eras and sticking to 0% inbreeding, I'm choosing the 0% inbreeding, and whatever susses out with the eras along the way will be what it is, most likely.
  • I think if the 0% inbreeding is more important to you that is a good way to go.

    As you grow, you could diversify and have separate projects too. For example I have a backwards breeding herd, a herd that is strictly a fancy color line where I'm being super strict about benchmarks and even generation breeding, and my eras herds that are all era based and have kind of willy nilly inbreeding and bootstrapping going on as needed since I'm going for leaderboard contention for those eras.

    For what it's worth, this is what I do with my eras herds:
    I have a 30 acre pasture for each era full of mares. I also have 1-3 studs for each era, depending on the era. As I get studs with a higher paper level/breeding ability I rotate out the lower ability studs.

    I keep mares in my primary barn until they reach 3-4 years old before rotating them into their era pasture. As I rotate new mares in, I kick out the lowest paper level/breeding ability mares. I have a spreadsheet where I keep track of what paper level I am at in each era so that when I do my new breeding I can weed out foals that are below the ability level I have already reached in that era.

    When I do my breeding I set aside some mares in each era to breed to an outside stallion for 10 futurity foals. I am usually looking for the highest papered stud possible in a color/bone/size that I like. I then split up the remaining mares amongst my stallions for that era. Depending on the era I will use surrogates and eggs to get 40 foals out of my 30 mares instead of just 30.

    Newer eras that have not reached cap breeding ability yet I am trying to breed even generations, once the era reaches CAP that all goes by the wayside and I'm just looking for best possible cap or boosted stock to breed to, with no regard for generation.

    There's probably a lot of other little things I do, but that's the nutshell.
    Ramshorn Ranch
    Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
    ID# 12824
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