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In this Discussion
- Ammit June 2024
- RamshornRanch June 2024
- SummerMonarch June 2024
Discussion about Primary Era and Max Limits
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I bred a pasture of 35 mares and I got 8 foals to pass AGA. None of them tested superior to sire or dam, including my BiP.
These are the mares:
https://mesa.huntandjump.com/member.php?uid=5554&p_id=26806&sp=y
This is the stallion:
https://mesa.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=2960068
This is the BiP, who is AGA sire:
https://mesa.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3063306
Is this just probability? Or is there something I could improve? Without maxing this non sup sire/dam is really challenging.
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I think it may just be bad luck. The higher you get in ability the harder it is to get anything to test superior. It might take 100 foals to get a few that test superior so 35 may just not have been enough. If you are not maxing it takes a lot of mares to keep pushing the numbers up.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
Also just to add, that sucks and I am sorry you got a less than steller batch.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
Yeah, the change in maxing makes a fully maxed line rough. Those AGA horses are spectacular but they are out of fully maxed lines. The natural odds of getting a sup foal out of maxed/maxed parents five gens deep is pretty low.
I’m stashing my favorites to max so I might get one from this gen. The maxing limits make sense for new lines but they are rough on my established, heavily maxed, lines. -
Well, era 4 shouldn't be a limited line. It should already be past primary era. It's just a fluke that we happen to be moving the eras forward that it's running into the issue. Once we are done moving the primary era forward those fully established lines won't be subject to any restrictions.
It might be that we need to remove primary eras from the limited eras. I want to at least wait this season to see how it feels.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
I think that 5 should currently be limited but 4 shouldn’t be. I think the hitting eighth gen should be the time point. However I understand moving the eras is happening right now and that causes a weird sitch.
When will we have one primary era again? Era 6? -
It's set up right now to be all primary eras are limited or none. Can't really do one and not the other as things are now.
Era 5 is already at cap so I am not sure there is much reason to limit it but not 4. Some members are a month behind in era 4 because they did not take advantage of the edge from uneven breeding, but that is mute with all eras going forward. I can see a reason to limit 4 and 5 or just 6 and 7 but not really a good reason to limit 5,6 and 7.
In December era 6 will be the only primary era.
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she/her -
Is 5 at cap? (Good news for me!)
If it is 18 months to cap then does the “problem” solve itself this December? 6 will be hitting cap as it becomes the primary era?
I guess if 5 is hitting cap right now, I think it should be the primary era, and still restricted. I think 4 shouldn’t be restricted but — see above — that may fix itself. -
For some more math gen 5 was just born for era 6.
In August gen 6 will be born.
In October gen 7 will be born that will be when the maxed-out lines will hit cap quality.
So by December the cap quality horses will be hitting breeding age right when they turn over into the primary.
Once we have hit cap there is not a ton of reason to protect those eras anymore. maxing stops having any competition benefit and just helps situations like you are in now were you are just trying to catch some stragglers up. Not trying to beat the LB.
If it was set up like that though there is no reason you could not wait until your 7th gens were 3 and no longer a limited era and then max 50 of them and sweep the lb. But then again you had to put in the focus to even get to that point.
I need to think out the repercussions a bit more.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
Yes 5 is at cap.
https://mesa.huntandjump.com/horse.php?horseid=3027007#tabs-2Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
Yes— I agree with your logic completely. My numbers/guesses were just off.
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I guess if 5 is hitting cap right now, I think it should be the primary era, and still restricted. I think 4 shouldn’t be restricted but — see above — that may fix itself.
The question is not should 4 be restricted. It is should primary eras be restricted. 4 should not be a primary era. It's overripe and done but members on every server who started lines in Dec 22 deserve to get primary era awards.
I am not going to code in half of the primary eras being restricted and half of them not. In 6 months we will only have a single primary era at a time. So the issue self resolves.
I made the primary eras limited just so I could get a feel for what we needed. I am leaning towards they don't need to be restricted. If you have a reason why the primary era should be restricted I would be interested.
ETA: We are posting at the same time. lol. I think we are on the same page.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
I think the primary era still needs to be restricted. Looking at Era 5 for example, if someone were to Max 10+ of their cap potential foals this season they would sweep the entire top 10 of the Top PT foals for the year leaderboard.Ramshorn Ranch
Formerly Ramshorn Sport Horses
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“So by December the cap quality horses will be hitting breeding age right when they turn over into the primary.”
Yes. These are the horses I think that should be leaving the restricted era at that time. So right now I think 4 should not be restricted - it just graduated last month - but 5 should be. In December, 5 should not be restricted, but 6 should be. Etc.
The primary eras are just shifted.
So yes I think the primary should still have the restrictions.
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SummerMonarch era SIX not five will be hitting cap quality breeding age in December. By your post you just argued that era 5 should be leaving restriction right now.
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she/her -
Era 5 is taking 2 months longer to reach cap than era 6 will because of the changes to mares.
Are you trying to say primary eras should not have protections but that such a change should be held off for 2 more months until all eras that are currently primary eras have of age cap quality horses?Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
Huh.
So the reason I think five should still be limited is that I’ve been embryo window shopping in 5 and there aren’t a lot of horses I think can make *** foals for 4. Maxing in that era is still very much in play, I think?
Basically only the two most recent eras would be protected by my argument. That might not be bad. I don’t know. -
If I can cludge together a quick hack to make it so the earlier primary era for the next 6 months is not limited I will. The system just really is not designed for that.
Just not limiting the primary eras would be so much simpler.
After checking the boards, I don't agree with RamshornSportHorses's point because the entire PT lb of era 5 is already completely swept. Cloning is super powerful in the lb game.
ETA: To the point that it may need to have some restrictions placed on it for baby eras. Right now the smart play is to have the plainest horses possible which let's be frank is not really the spirit of the a color genetics game.Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/her -
It actually turned out to be super simple to shave off that older primary era so it no longer has any maxing limits. All primary eras will lose max out protections in the next few months once the cap quality horses reach breeding age.
So round about way to say, max away on those era 4 horses Summer. :)Need to contact me? Read this first.
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she/herThanked by 1Kintara -
Huh. This is unexpected and wonderful.