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I think I would rather have option two, unless there could be a combination option? Like maybe 3 maximum with GMTs, and after that you have to pay IVs. I don't like the thought of having to pay hbs for my maxing lol, but I agree that it could quickly become unfair to continue the way it is. Thanks for thinking ahead!

I do agree with option 1 and 2
But definitely more option 2
(Me personally coming from a lower amount daily)
Unless we could convert the GMTs won to IVs for maxing it's definitely a heavier balance vs GMT limits a month

=))

Right now I see two types of players as having lots of access to GMTs and Maxing:
"Type 1") Big barns with lots of daily income, which can be spent on IVs and converted into GMTs. Note: These barns also typically have the most stall space to maximize their sea pony/candy pony fishing in June and December, which also results in more GMTs being banked up.
"Type 2") Medium/Smallish barn leaderboard chasers that have been reinvesting their won GMTs each season into maxing so that they can win more GMTs next season.

At this point I consider myself to lean towards a Type 2 player, but I am trying to work my way towards Type 1. I have a very small amount of disposable income at this point each season, but enough room to take advantage of Sea Ponies and Candy Ponies when they come around. I do tend to be selective with my GMT use, and use it more often for maxing, consistency, and gender swaps than I do for fancy color changes.

If Option 1 is implemented the effect I foresee is that Type 2 players will be pushed out of using maxing, but Type 1 players will still have access. I think the leaderboard favor would end up swinging more solidly towards Type 1 players. I can see how it makes it a little harder for the winners to continue winning in the future, but I don't see it benefitting small barns much because the Type 1 players will still have a significant advantage.

I think Option 2 would be more effective in leveling the playing field. No matter your barn size or income level you would need to be careful about where you invested your maxed horses, and therefore could only be competitive in a few areas which spreads the winning opportunities around. I think 4 per season is a little bit tight. I personally would be happier with 6-8.

I guess this is a long way of saying that I would prefer Option 2. It benefits me because I can continue using my current playing style of reinvesting my won GMTs into my lines, but also puts a limit on my advantage to promote competition between more types of players.

I would 100% rather have option 2. Honestly I would ‘t be able to afford to max out more than a couple of foals each season with IVs. I think it would be reasonable to have a limit of like 6-8 maxed foals using GMTs.

I like that compromise. Sometimes I want to use a max just because I had a special cross planned and want to make sure it passes SBA, not for any particular leaderboard reason.

I would be more comfortable with 4 maxes if it was limited to the primary era and later.

I really like that compromise, of limiting only primary+ maxing.

Prohibit maxing for the newest era, period. Prohibit cloning for the two newest eras. Change nothing else.

The eras are for new players. Let’s all play by the same rules - ish - in those eras.

The #1 player on each server is making 3 to 10 times the number of GMTs as the number 10 player. That's a pretty hefty imbalance. This change is to help players making 10 to 40 GMTs in LB wins a season. Not brand new players.

https://mesa.huntandjump.com/forum/index.php?p=/discussion/7922/top-10-gmt-winners-by-server#Item_9

Breeding futurity foals is how I would recommend new players get started in LBs.

Okay. So when I come into era 7 or 8, I'm going to breed a set of foals, max them, clone them, and flush them. It’s expensive, yeah, but it works. So if I couldn’t max, I’d still be doing this expensive thing, and I don’t think I qualify as a big barn. Maybe I do but there are much bigger. So I guess I’m not sure how this would create diversity in the era boards, as opposed to push out the mid and small large barns out.

I don’t know how to balance out barn size without removing the things hbs can buy to improve foals.

(Heard on new player/smaller barns.)

"Top 10 Mesa Players
241 HighNoone
213 Bluemesa
190 SummerMonarch"

You are the third highest winning barn on the entire server. You are a super massive barn and right now can boost 38 times a season for free if you wanted to spend it all on that.

It will because you are in Era 4. You'll have to focus on which Era you want to spend your limited maxing in and that keeps a single player from controlling multiple new eras at a time.

You won't be able to max heavily in Era 4 and Era 7. You'll have to focus.

I agree, but 4 is newest era -2 and the proposals I’m seeing all involve the newest era and/or newest era -1. Perhaps it would be easier to say “if the game still creates foundations for that era, that era is subject to x y and z restrictions.”

So, in the future, If it’s only 6 and 7 that are limited, I’m unlimited in 4, and spend my allotted limited maxes in 7. I don’t have to make choices. If the restriction is on all eras, well, that’s expensive.

I’m sorry to say this, but to limit me the limitation has to be all eras, since I’m eras 2, 3, 4, and the other top of the leaderboards are 0.

Also relevant, outside of era 4, I think most of my biggest gmt winners come from futurity sired foals.

I can’t read. This one is on me. The conversation is about primary era and later, meaning era 3 to 0, and I moved the conversation to current era, rather than primary.

The only thing it has to do with eras is to use era 3 (about to be era 4) as the cut off of what horses can be maxed without limits. My whole reply above is wrong.

*head desk emoji*

Primary ers will be 4 and 5 starting June 1st.

Thanks Ammit.

I'm still very new to Era lbs so I'm trying to comprehend what this change is.

I didn't go for Era 6 because I did not have the means to Max foals and compete against a player who did.

So in Era 7, which I really want to compete in, I think it's fair to max 4 each. It'll be interesting to see how this works out.

Can I offer a suggestion?
Often times by finishing the accomplishments at the beginning of the game, it is quite reasonable to be able to afford a basic upgrade using IVs.

I had an idea of offering basic upgrades 1 free max a month that doesn’t count towards the limit. Reasons I think this would be beneficial:
- Basic upgrade is within reason to almost all players, as long as you budget for IVs.
- It would allow newer players the ability to max horses when they otherwise couldn’t afford it.
- Would give more opportunities to new players to get on the leaderboards

Could also offer the premium upgrades 2 free maxes. These would also not count towards the limit. It gives a little extra incentive to players that spend money on the game every month and is just slightly more than the basic upgrade.

Not sure if this is even feasible but it was just an idea.

As number 4 or 5 on this server (I don't remember which I ranked at) I feel like option 2 seems fair as long as you get a fair number of maxes per season, like at least 5. I say that because personally I don't Max to win leaderboards, I usually am trying to bring a * mare up to ** because I'm trying to overall improve my show and breeding herds or have changed a gene I'm breeding for and want to get more of something in my higher horses faster. If the limit is too low it would also affect newer or smaller barn players who may have saved up enough IVs and are trying to bootstrap, since maxing is most potent when done on horses who have very uneven parents. Too limiting might have the opposite effect of preventing newer people from improving as fast (of course I do realize that IVs are expensive and truly new people can't afford them at all so I guess that applies to more middle sized players maybe).

I am blind, I can not find the third option.
:))
I appreciate the continued thought of improving the game to be as inclusive as possible for all types of players. :)

(was gonna reply to Ammit's newest thread but figured I wouldn't clutter it. Haha)

I believe limiting the newest eras would be the most fair and effective way to go about it. Everyone had great points in the comments I read (on all servers). I didn't have much to add cause I'm still kinda stumbling my way through it all. - trying to maintain focus & reckless use of maxing when I have spare GMTs - :)) I'm more for the genetics part of it all and adding the fancy genes mainly when I win any from the LBs. I have tried here recently to get a little more competitive and selective with some lines but don't think I've learned to utilize my tools effectively. :-\"
prolly never will with my attention span..