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Pro, I can get eggs/foals a season sooner. Yay!

Con, non premium accounts would be a season behind trying to compete on Era LB. Doesn't help new accounts at all

I do think it is worth noting that if you want to be competitive on the era leaderboard you already have to use eggs. You have to get 3 foals on the ground to qualify a mare. If you are 3 seasons behind the leaders in an era you already are out of the running. So it should make zero impact on WHO is in leaderboard contention, which was/is my biggest hesitation. It will just change how fast lines move on the lb.

I can consider it, but it is worth noting that they still would be behind as creating an embryo does not get you on the leaderboards so I am not sure it helps any.

I like this idea. It's always a bummer to be a year behind with the mares vs. the stallions.

Yes, 3 year old era 6 Red papered fillies you will want to get at least 3 foals out of them to be competitive in February.

It does shift the planning, but I am excited!

Said this above "I think I am going to start with just eggs and give that a try, if we find it causes issues I can expand it to embryo pulling as well. I figure it is better to start small and then expand if we need to. People tend to get very upset if I remove features so I have to add things slowly."

That's a maybe on embryos.

Yes please!!! This feature would be amazing!

I’m the odd voice out here. No.

This is game unbalancing. This puts me ten foals ahead of anyone who can’t pull eggs at 3. Further, it makes 3 year old males just as valuable as stallions, which takes away that weird .5 gen year. I think the mares and stallions are a year apart in breeding is an important part of the game and if I can pull eggs at the same age it circumvents this.

Further, if a basic upgrade breeds a mare once a year and I pull eggs, they could theoretically have a chance at keeping up. That chance gets much thinner when I start with an added egg count (and I can get that many embryos on the ground as soon as breeding opens. In fact, my three year old embryos would already be out— just like my straws are now.

I feel like those are pretty substantial advantages. If you want to increase the game value of premium that is one thing, but if that is not the intention, I think this is a good move for that. If it is just for funsies, then I think that this will change the balance of power in the game between basic and premium in a way that hasn’t been expected.


(But it would be rad. I def checked to see if it was turned on.)

I think whether the basic upgrades can pull an embryo at 3 or not, they are still going to be behind the leaders who are going all out for the top producing mare who will definitely pull 3+ eggs a season.

It would keep the gap between basic and premium the same if basics can pull an embryo at 3. As a premium member, I don’t know that I can give a fair opinion as to whether the size of that gap matters or not.

Personally, I like that this gives the opportunity to get rid of that weird .5 gen year. I’ll be much better able to utilize my 3 year old stallions with mares of comparable quality instead of having to wait a month to maximize their potential in my barn.
Which I guess does bring up a point that this will most likely shorten the number of months it will take for an era to reach cap level.

Looking at my Era 5 line for example under the current rules:
June I Had my Red/B 2nd gens born
July 2nd gen is 2
August 2nd gen is 3
September 2nd gen is 4, Blue/A 3rd gens are born
October 3rd gen is 2
November 3rd gen is 3
December 3rd gen is 4, *gold/*star 4th gens are born
January 4th gen is 2
February 4th gen is 3
March 4th gen is 4, 5th gens are born
Total months to get to gen 5 = 9

If the new egg rule had existed instead:
June red/B 2nd gens born
July 2nd gen is 2
August 2nd gen is 3, Blue/A 3rd gens are born
September 3rd gen is 2
October 3rd gen is 3, *gold/*star 4th gens are born
November 4th gen is 2
December 4th gen is 3, 5th gen is born
Total months to get to gen 5 = 6

So basically you’re going from 3 months per generation to 2 months per generation. Which I think would mean the time between primary era advances will end up needing to be shifted (which is in flux right now anyways, so I guess it would be reasonably good timing for that.)

I’m still in favor of the idea. Just throwing out some potential consequences that may not have been thought of.

The logic of why people think this is good seems to align with what I disagree with. This is a change that will make the game significantly easier for me and at some point that starts to lose the appeal. I’m at math, not murder— the last few posts feel like pay to win.

As a rules lawyer, I will only say this one more time: this is unbalancing and I don’t see how it makes the game more fun. I do see how it makes it easier, which makes me wonder what the goal is. Is it… “ Free to join, true to life horse genetics game. Build a giant stable with horses of every color. Uses real genetics!”?

This feels like a step back from realism. I don’t think this change helps anyone learn anything about horses and, instead, pushes the idea that studs and mares have equally advanced gonads.

And now I’m off to pull eggs.

Am I Grateful for this change, well here with a premium account, yes. Mares do get bred at three years of age in the real world.

I also think it puts basic accounts out of Era/LB competition unless they buy their stock from advanced lines.

Overall I think it's a big pro for premium accounts and its a gut punch (parden the phrase) to non premium accounts.

*I don't in any way feel or think you are purposefully making it harder for non premium accounts. Or taking shots at them.

She shows you pulled 1 egg. Did you mean to flush?

LookingGood indeed it is absolutely done in real life and is realistic.

I think you feedback is sound. As I keep saying I am going to see. If it is rapidly clear that it changed the balance too much I can open it to embryos as well. This is the only server that has expressed any concern and no basic members have said they are worried about it but I am willing change things as needed ofcourse. :)

I was going to skip premium upgrade this month, and get it next month. Wanting eggs "forced" my hand. I was planning on spending all my hbs paying people for tokens for the new special sale, so now I have a million and a half less for that lol (my comment is in regards to the statement that "no basic members expressed concern" as I was planning to remain basic for the month)

I think it'd be nice to create an embryo with my 3yr old mares. I won't ever have premium. I can create an embryo with 4yr old mares, so it seems logical that I should be able to with 3yr old mares.

I believe "them" is referring to the eggs, not the mares.