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RamshornRanch · Jan 3, 2024 2:09 PM

I am hoping someone with a better memory than me can remind me.

Does **Star or **Gold status always mean that the horse is at the natural breeding level cap? Or could there theoretically be a **Star that comparison tests Superior to another **Star?

The reason I am asking is that I have finally reached **Star level on the stallions in my Era 0 herd. Am I totally maxed out, or is there room for improvement (without boosting)? I don't have intentions to spend funds on boosting anything at this point in time.

I planned out this particular breeding match to produce this fellow in hopes of having a stud that I am reasonably certain is at cap level (after his GMT makeover).

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He's got a ***star sire, and a **gold dam. The dam is from ***parents on both sides and has been maxed, so I am nearly certain she would be at the natural cap. So logically it makes sense to me that a maxed foal from two parents who are at or above cap should be at the cap himself.

He comparison tests as good as my existing **Star stallions

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I am hoping this means I have three stallions at the natural cap level, and not that I have spent a bunch of GMTs in vain!

Ammit · Jan 3, 2024 2:55 PM

No, ** does not always mean cap.

Have you done SBA on all of these?

Bluemesa · Jan 3, 2024 3:08 PM

The Dam should be Cap, as she tests AGA one of my non-boosted cap quality mares.

RamshornRanch · Jan 3, 2024 3:22 PM

The foal from this season that I had the high hopes for is SBA tested. I also comparison tested him to Bluemesa's mare before GMTing him to a stallion and he tested AGA.
So I am guessing/hoping based on these responses that he is probably at the cap?

The older stallions have not been SBA tested. They are out of *gold dams matched to ***star sires, so I was too scared to SBA because of the mismatch in paper levels. They did pass BA. I was just happy with the **Star improvement over the dams' paper levels as that is what I was shooting for with those crosses. I am guessing they are probably not actual cap level, but if the foal is in fact cap level, then I'm tickled they are close enough to test AGA.

I'm taking it that it's basically a process of logical conclusion and comparison testing to confirm whether a horse is at or near the cap or not?

Thank you for confirming by the way. It makes much more sense to me that there would still be a range that falls under each * vs ** vs *** level.

Walywoohoo · Jan 3, 2024 4:49 PM

** doesn't mean at cap; I have had many ** colts fail SBA and get snipped. There's a range of quality that all receive **Star papers. But if his sire is *** and he still passed SBA, I believe that means he is at cap.

SummerMonarch · Jan 3, 2024 4:57 PM

*** bred to *** — if it passes sba (**) it is cap. If you really want to know how close you are to cap, find one of those, borrow it, and comp test it. Although if BM says it’s at cap, I’d believe them.

Bluemesa · Jan 3, 2024 5:02 PM

I would wager that he is cap quality, and if not he should be very close! Definitely worth holding on to for breeding

Ammit · Jan 4, 2024 2:17 AM

Comparison testing can't tell you if a horse is cap quality. Only if they are very close.

Ammit · Jan 4, 2024 2:20 AM

I will add that looking at the hidden numbers on these colts at least one is cap quality and at least one is not. I am not sure of a hard and fast rule for telling that apart just yet though.

Not doing SBA may be the biggest issue there.

Ammit · Jan 4, 2024 2:41 AM

Ok, I checked the code. I am pretty sure it is true to say that if a horse has 1 parent that is *** and passes SBA then they must be cap quality. I have not done large-scale testing on that to be 100% sure but I am pretty confident. Also you only need one parent to be ***, not both.

RamshornRanch · Jan 4, 2024 7:33 AM

Right, I figured that because of the wiggle room in the "as good as" result that comparison testing can really only tell you if something is close to cap, if you have a known cap to compare to. Though "close" could be relative, for sure.

This has been very informative for me, and I'm satisfied that I've gotten what I was hoping for out of this cross.

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