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ChapelHillFarm · Jun 23, 2022 8:30 PM

I have a 2nd generation "A" rated stallion. I would like to give him a 5% boost to try and move him up to Star. Of course, this would also boost his foals.

If I breed him to 2nd Generation Blue fillies, is there any concern that they would not pass SBA, due to him now being so much higher? I haven't done much boosting, so I want to make sure I am not shooting myself in the foot.

Would it be better to just give him a 1 or 2% boost for the better foals?

Thanks.

Ammit · Jun 23, 2022 10:13 PM

The 5% boost will get you the best foals. Better breeders make better foals period. Decide if it is more important to you to get better foals or more intact foals. ;)

LadyhawkeStables · Jun 24, 2022 3:27 AM

So when @pestilenttempest left I was able to use their fabulous 3rd gen star for a few seasons (wasn't boosted but came from boosted foundations).

LH3S The Right Moves SUP

I breed 125 foals and only one passed SBA and was superior to their dam/sire

https://mesa.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&hpp=100&aged=1&breeder=557&sire=156027&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0

This was the one superior mare and as you'll noticed she has been bred 7 times and all of her foals are altered.

LH4G Scholars

Anyway in this case I found introducing a large boosted horse in the middle of my herd was tough when I wanted to follow the same rules of SBA and superior. Looking back there may have been a few AGA foals that I hand altered that I probably shouldn't have because an AGA would have still been better than some of my regular 4Gs.

LadyhawkeStables · Jun 24, 2022 3:38 AM

One more (perhaps better) example for your research, @starburstfarms 5% boosted this 3rd gen A papered and he still was not star papered (he must have been super duper close though)

I Struck Gold A3G

They gave me this mare who was originally an AGA stud and I swapped to a mare. However, her dams side is much lower quality and I actually have several gold papered 4th gens from non boosted lines so it wasn't nearly as much of a shock to my herd.

LH4B Liver Me Timber

And out of 15 foals I have gotten 3 beautiful 5th gen superior golds

https://mesa.huntandjump.com/adv_search.php?runsearch=go&jump=0&gelding=0&spayedmare=0&aged=1&dam=294571&56=0&57=0&58=0&59=0&60=0&61=0

So two notes here
1. If your second gen A papered is not from boosted foundations, a 5% might not make him a star
2. This is actually a better example of a horse boosted mid line which is what you were asking about. I would definitely spend some time looking through some of I Struck Golds foals. I know there were a lot that were AGA, swapped to different genders or 1% boosted.

ChapelHillFarm · Jun 24, 2022 7:01 AM

Oh my goodness, there is a lot to consider. I'm going to do more research. Thank you for the prompt responses. It was exactly what I needed.

BlaxkDiamond · Jul 3, 2022 10:15 PM

In the past on Forest server, I accidentally boosted a 4g stallion up a whole paper level he was star out of yellow/C foundations which is possible to get a 4g star however difficult. He ended up being 5g quality. I struggled to find a son who tested superior to him. Then I had a huge issue of my stallions being levels above the mare’s quality. It wasn’t noticeable at the 4th and 5th gen foals. But once I hit 6-7 gen I found it was impossible for me to get superior mares, and foals that passed BA. I had a huge mare lag, so much so that in then end I sold that stallion and culled all my horses 5g and up. Now I found a new 4g stallion more in line with my mare quality, which I also made a point to improve.

So now I am extremely picky about how much I boost a horse. That unevenness is very difficult to fix in a line.

ChapelHillFarm · Jul 7, 2022 12:42 PM

I truly appreciate everyone's perspective on this question. I did do more research and with BlaxkDiamond's additional input, I am going to use the one stallion that I had already boosted. I am going to try some bootstrapping with a small number of specific mares. I will not use him on all my other mares. This really helped, thanks so much.

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